tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post1169950083805035149..comments2023-08-25T05:18:29.312-06:00Comments on Madville Times: BP Does More Damage than Failed Bomber: Strip Corporate Rightscaheidelbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-56405325462596149032010-05-16T23:44:10.902-06:002010-05-16T23:44:10.902-06:00"proving they ignored safety standards that l..."proving they ignored safety standards that led to the explosion..."<br /><br />looks like the <a href="proving%20they%20ignored%20safety%20standards%20that%20led%20to%20the%20explosion" rel="nofollow">evidence</a> I required may be forthcoming. If this negligence can be shown to have been encouraged practice, I hope criminal charges are possible in addition to an in perpetuity denial of all drilling permit applications for BP. Barry is right that they should be forced to pay for all cleanup cost and to pay for all direct losses. But I'm not even sure I would allow them the opportunity to take steps to prevent it from happening again.Roger Beranekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816186933620482440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-1875826721052901062010-05-15T08:40:28.294-06:002010-05-15T08:40:28.294-06:00Criminality will require proving they ignored safe...Criminality will require proving they ignored safety standards that led to the explosion. As of yet, the finger pointing has been about technical failures in the BOP, not about any ignored regulations and not about evidence of negligence. Their liability in connection to the oil spill (without any proof of negligence) is limited to 75 million I believe.<br /> The responsibility to pay for the damage is similar to the responsibility I would hold for someone (or company) who's actions cause a widespread and devastating forest fire. If all precautions deemed reasonably necessary at the time were taken, and every effort was taken to prevent it from spreading, than to what degree should they bound to pay for it? I just don't completely know the legal or moral answer to that.Roger Beranekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816186933620482440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-57573373486152998032010-05-13T16:26:11.383-06:002010-05-13T16:26:11.383-06:00It seems to me that they are doing enough to incri...It seems to me that they are doing enough to <a href="http://slatest.slate.com/id/2253792/entry/2/" rel="nofollow">incriminate themselves</a>. Cory doesn't have to do it for them.Kal Lishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509909460813851274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-48236486489664750962010-05-12T22:58:33.792-06:002010-05-12T22:58:33.792-06:00They've shown negligence in the operation of t...They've shown negligence in the operation of the oil rig that led to the disaster? At this point, the closest comparison would be a fire in my home causes an explosion that kills 11 of my roommates. Cory thinks I would likely be arrested immediately. It sounds like the true nature of BP's wrongdoing is the fact that it owned an oil rig, since it is being condemned in the absence of any facts about the incident.Roger Beranekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11816186933620482440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-25736839312003133902010-05-12T18:16:19.036-06:002010-05-12T18:16:19.036-06:00Just to clarify, I was being cranky and hyperbolic...Just to clarify, I was being cranky and hyperbolic with the enemy combatant idea. My point is that corporations abuse the system and treating corporations as individuals is a rather ludicrous proposition. Cory's answer above is the point that Congress and the courts need to address.Kal Lishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509909460813851274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-51722212096384123712010-05-12T08:42:30.986-06:002010-05-12T08:42:30.986-06:00Good point Cory: Equating corporations to persons ...Good point Cory: Equating corporations to persons is doubtful at best.Barry Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-83871330397780525672010-05-12T08:02:54.191-06:002010-05-12T08:02:54.191-06:00Indeed, intent is an important criterion in determ...Indeed, <i>intent</i> is an important criterion in determining punishment. But even an individual who accidentally kills 11 people and does extensive economic and environmental damage would likely be arrested immediately, not simply asked to answer questions before Congress and pay for damages. The judicial system does not interrupt the normal life of an accused corporate wrongdoer to nearly the extent that it interrupts the life of an accused individual perpetrator.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-67681903441500917242010-05-12T07:41:16.182-06:002010-05-12T07:41:16.182-06:00Unless BP intended to harm the US, I don't see...Unless BP intended to harm the US, I don't see how they can be equated with terrorists. However BP should pay the entire bill for the cleanup, restitution for economic losses and some sort of ecological restitution for the long term damage their accident has caused. i.e. buying a large plot of rain-forest and putting it in reserve or wetlands or something of the sort. Also BP and other oil companies need to demonstrate that they have taken concrete steps to prevent it from happening again.Barry Smithnoreply@blogger.com