tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post2975529285564910483..comments2023-08-25T05:18:29.312-06:00Comments on Madville Times: SD, US Not Producing Enough Smart Kidscaheidelbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-48694785208101494102010-12-01T18:56:16.638-07:002010-12-01T18:56:16.638-07:00It's not just programs -- there are schools in...It's not just programs -- there are schools in SD that don't even have potable water. <br /><br />I think Phil hit the nail right on the head. While there are teachers that are hired more for their coaching ability than teaching skills, the one teacher a student sees 5 hours a week for one year during their educational lifetime probably isn't going to make a huge difference in their test scores. Overcoming a homelife that may be filled with alcohol or absent parents, or a family that doesn't value education or set expectations for their children, or parents who blame teachers for their children's laziness -- those are going to be way bigger influences on kids who might be struggling. And the kids that aren't struggling will generally do fine no matter what.Kelseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09833213923742764650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-13849860535879039242010-12-01T18:48:01.765-07:002010-12-01T18:48:01.765-07:00Check Washington, DC, and the reservations cost pe...Check Washington, DC, and the reservations cost per pupil vs test scores if you think more money does matter!nonnienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-67299460803424666752010-12-01T15:42:07.718-07:002010-12-01T15:42:07.718-07:00Check Massachusett's and Minesota's cost p...Check Massachusett's and Minesota's cost per pupil and test scores against South Dakota's if you think money doesn't matter.Superintendent's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05574755059501799009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-19982728176099690462010-12-01T13:02:24.564-07:002010-12-01T13:02:24.564-07:00You can spend as much money as you want on educati...You can spend as much money as you want on education but the outcomes won't improve if the students don't value education.<br /><br />Every successful student values education. Sometimes that value is intrinsic to the student and in other cases it's a matter of parental discipline.<br /><br />To increase achievement you have to convince the individual to value education. Every successful teacher that I know instills the value of education into their students.<br /><br />However, that doesn't seem to be a goal of the education industry. It seem to just throw knowledge at the students and hope it sticks. You need to get to kids early, like 2-5 and play learning games. Make the kids associate winning games with accomplishment and then turn the games into learning.Tony Amerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926509220711589398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-48956992913045582052010-12-01T12:52:10.410-07:002010-12-01T12:52:10.410-07:00I'd be interested for someone to pull out a st...I'd be interested for someone to pull out a study which controls:<br /><br />1) Parental support for educational objectives, and / or<br /><br />2) Societal (or cultural subgroup) attitudes towards education<br /><br />This is America, where we glorify big football hits, fast cars, and 15 miutes of fame -- not Millenium Prize Problems and intelligent conversation (witness the rise of Sarah Palin, reality TV hero).Phil Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-64325085400863787512010-12-01T11:18:40.138-07:002010-12-01T11:18:40.138-07:00And with intellectual giants like Sarah Palin and ...And with intellectual giants like Sarah Palin and Kristi Noem held up as exemples of leadership, what is there for a kid to aspire to?David Newquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937837001343753140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-83941975272178760772010-12-01T10:51:42.977-07:002010-12-01T10:51:42.977-07:00I'm similarly torn, Kelsey. hanushek says mone...I'm similarly torn, Kelsey. hanushek says money doesn't correlate with outcomes... but it still take smoney to make programs happen. We don't have French and Chinese language programs because we aren't willing to pay the money to add that staff.<br /><br />Making better teachers: indeed, a basic literacy test would be an insult to a lot of the great teachers I know. At the same time, we can point to districts that hire football and basketball coaches who also happen to have a degree in history or some other field where we can use a teacher. How do we get an honest assessment of teacher quality? Do the Master of Education programs really improve teaching outcomes?caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-28894627630490832372010-12-01T10:39:31.022-07:002010-12-01T10:39:31.022-07:00Spending more money may not be the fix-all, but in...Spending more money may not be the fix-all, but in South Dakota, I think there's a good case to be made that funding is at least part of the problem. If you look at some of the issues highlighted in the school funding lawsuit, lack of funds is clearly causing situations that interfere with learning. <br /><br />I'm also a little leery of anything that suggests our educational system could be fixed if teachers were somehow "better."Kelseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09833213923742764650noreply@blogger.com