tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post3509762632769443370..comments2023-08-25T05:18:29.312-06:00Comments on Madville Times: Trobec: "Crotch Bomber" Means More Futile Airport Securitycaheidelbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-80587028898156115612009-12-30T12:15:57.997-07:002009-12-30T12:15:57.997-07:00Sibby Airlines.
"In the event of a sudden lo...Sibby Airlines.<br /><br />"In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, please unload your firearm and place under your seat/flotation device, and we appreciate no gunplay until the captain has turned off the seat belt sign."Mark O'Loughlenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707763013967725616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-80760543344666386762009-12-30T08:41:53.585-07:002009-12-30T08:41:53.585-07:00No offense taken, Tim: I'll have fewer acciden...No offense taken, Tim: I'll have fewer accidental shootings, hijackings, and crashes, not to mention much easier security screenings.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-38390198385019325512009-12-30T08:25:28.785-07:002009-12-30T08:25:28.785-07:00No offence Corey, I will be booking on SibbyAir
T...No offence Corey, I will be booking on SibbyAir<br /><br />Tim HigginsFireBirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15155339581279516096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-9001205199183064752009-12-29T12:20:50.936-07:002009-12-29T12:20:50.936-07:00Let me make my response more explicit, Tim: untrai...Let me make my response more explicit, Tim: untrained civilians packing heat on an airplane are a disaster waiting to happen. They would make the sky marshals' job a nightmare. They would increase accidents. And while explosive depressurization <a href="http://www.askcaptainlim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=477:will-a-gunshot-depressurize-the-airplane-cabin&catid=23:air-travel&Itemid=49" rel="nofollow">isn't a guaranteed danger</a>, enough can go wrong with bullets whizzing around inside an airplane (or any enclosed space filled with panicky civilians) that armed passengers fail the cost-benefit analysis. As the crotch bomber deomonstrates, the only arms we really need are the strong ones with which we all come equipped.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-11493327427826538082009-12-29T11:23:09.628-07:002009-12-29T11:23:09.628-07:00Tony & Cory:
Either of you two want to guess ...Tony & Cory:<br /><br />Either of you two want to guess at the percentage of people who died on those 4 planes on 911 would not have wanted a Second Amendment opportunity to defend themselves, their neighbors, and this country from those who were going to use the airplane as a weapon?Steve Sibsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-2125292237839051512009-12-29T11:17:51.256-07:002009-12-29T11:17:51.256-07:00Tony
Based on your statement 'I vote for litt...Tony<br /><br />Based on your statement 'I vote for little to no security theater from now on.' I think Sibby's question is very reasonable, and deserves a resonalbe answer.<br /><br />Corey<br /><br />As for you agreeing with Tony's statement, as I mentioned above, Sibby's question is not out of line. In fact I was going to ask something similar but Sibby beat me to the punch. IMO Sibby deserves a legitimate answer.<br /><br />Tim HigginsFireBirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15155339581279516096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-75166455073485428732009-12-29T10:05:00.858-07:002009-12-29T10:05:00.858-07:00Steve:
Is your world view only black or white? Ev...Steve:<br /><br />Is your world view only black or white? Everytime you post something here it is always one extreme or another ignoring any rational position in between the extremes.<br />In my post, I specifically state that I'm drawing the line at a rational point between the extremes.<br /><br />Next time you ramble on about natural law should I just post some random extreme example about how such a system could run amok? And since you obviously wouldn't take the insane position provide that as evidence of the failure of your position?Tony Amerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926509220711589398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-30062114308718027622009-12-29T08:22:11.057-07:002009-12-29T08:22:11.057-07:00Perhaps no image better captures the ideology of S...Perhaps no image better captures the ideology of Steve Sibson better than armed civilians turning a jetliner at 30,000 feet into a free-fire zone.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-66783338429490435292009-12-29T06:41:45.443-07:002009-12-29T06:41:45.443-07:00Flying is safer than driving, but we drove 1500 mi...Flying is safer than driving, but we drove 1500 miles to Florida in October and had a very relaxing, enjoyable trip. No strip searches, saved about $750 over the cost of airfare, no plugged ears or viruses floating around. We'll still fly, but driving a long trip was a great experience, we saw several states and were able to stop and take in local culture along the way.GoldManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09478566547133172418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-66928749621190847232009-12-29T05:44:27.039-07:002009-12-29T05:44:27.039-07:00Tony and Cory,
We can debate back and forth as to...Tony and Cory,<br /><br />We can debate back and forth as to the real effectiveness of the current security rules to the cows come home but 2 facts remain. Not one successful attack has occurred since they went in to effect and if the security requirements are too much for you to deal with you are free to find another way to get to your destination.<br /><br />And you are right Tony we must have different ideas of what constitutes privacy invasion. I spend more time worrying about our security agencies being given carte blanche by Congress to wiretap my phone without a warrant after passage of the retooled FISA regulations than I do worrying about having to take my shoes off when passing through airport security.BWJuniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147908739366151885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-58266846707498648082009-12-29T05:26:54.993-07:002009-12-29T05:26:54.993-07:00So Tony and cory,
Are you both now ready to remov...So Tony and cory,<br /><br />Are you both now ready to remove all gun control laws and let us carry firearms onto airplanes?:<br /><br />"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin FranklinSteve Sibsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-68345198693665189942009-12-28T21:08:43.443-07:002009-12-28T21:08:43.443-07:00I'm with Tony. We're frisking babies and t...I'm with Tony. We're <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091229/ap_on_re_us/us_airline_attack_passenger_confusion" rel="nofollow">frisking babies</a> and telling passengers they can't read. Such measures will not stop the clever and determined terrorist. Such measures (and the costs Tony menions) further demonstrate the terrorists need not mount successful attacks to damage the American economy and culture.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-73085124696183165432009-12-28T20:58:45.888-07:002009-12-28T20:58:45.888-07:00BW and Nonnie:
We spend billions a year on the he...BW and Nonnie:<br /><br />We spend billions a year on the heightened security at our airports with little to show for it. I would call that a terrorist win. Everytime you get on a plane you are constantly reminded about previous attacks. Absolute security from a dedicated, intelligent enemy cannot be stopped. <br /><br />We just draw the line at different levels. I value my privacy more than either of you evidently. I'm more inline with the English stiff upper lip approach to terrorism.<br /><br />"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin FranklinTony Amerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926509220711589398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-75762829447536998272009-12-28T19:13:33.249-07:002009-12-28T19:13:33.249-07:00"Now that we know to fight rather than sit by..."Now that we know to fight rather than sit by idly I can't imagine any real disturbance ever happening again." And you wrote this today, after this latest incident??? Unbelievable.nonnienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-87886892484100090782009-12-28T18:02:12.924-07:002009-12-28T18:02:12.924-07:00Good luck with that Tony, the only reason the unde...Good luck with that Tony, the only reason the underwear bomber failed (and the shoe bomber Richard Reid for that matter)was because he was an idiot not because the passengers restrained him. By the time they noticed the smoke, he had already failed to detonate the PETN and had instead burned the wrong wick if you know what I mean. <br /><br />In a successful attack, by the time passengers would have figured out something was wrong they would have been looking at a huge hole in the fuselage of the airplane next to where the bomber had been sitting.BWJuniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147908739366151885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-69684333439598158082009-12-28T17:31:49.456-07:002009-12-28T17:31:49.456-07:00Firebird = Tim HigginsFirebird = Tim HigginsFireBirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15155339581279516096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-30439426910912629732009-12-28T17:31:17.213-07:002009-12-28T17:31:17.213-07:00Yes we really are safer under Obama
http://hotair...Yes we really are safer under Obama<br /><br />http://hotair.com:80/archives/2009/12/28/state-department-ignored-warning-on-abdulmutallab/FireBirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15155339581279516096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-50487784923708122582009-12-28T16:58:04.954-07:002009-12-28T16:58:04.954-07:00BWJunior:
I vote for little to no security theate...BWJunior:<br /><br />I vote for little to no security theater from now on. 9/11 only worked because we had been told not to fight hostage takers. Now that we know to fight rather than sit by idly I can't imagine any real disturbance ever happening again.Tony Amerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926509220711589398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-82244884072056600632009-12-28T08:37:54.610-07:002009-12-28T08:37:54.610-07:00Sorry, that was me, Nonnie.Sorry, that was me, Nonnie.nonnienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-16744396606339014622009-12-28T08:36:26.296-07:002009-12-28T08:36:26.296-07:00Forget the political correctness and profile those...Forget the political correctness and profile those who are doing the terror. Oh, pardon me, this bomber wasn't a terrorist, he was called a criminal and has already lawyered up probably. As long as we allow political correctness to run amok, we are in danger. The Muslims who are not terrorists should not mind being profiled; after all, it is them being protected in this way also. No blankets, pillows, being allowed out of your seat during flights, etc will not solve the problem. We know what will help, and it's time that procedure be allowed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-76850041292694429762009-12-28T08:08:31.182-07:002009-12-28T08:08:31.182-07:00I love it when someone whose only claim to know wt...I love it when someone whose only claim to know wtf he is talking about is that he is a "frequent flyer" tries to analyze the effectiveness or lack thereof of our airline security measures.<br /><br />He did forget option 4 though, get rid of DHS altogether and just cross your fingers whenever you get on a plane...BWJuniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147908739366151885noreply@blogger.com