tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post6012294455094888384..comments2023-08-25T05:18:29.312-06:00Comments on Madville Times: Proposed Christian Women's House Violates SD Rental Law?caheidelbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-20510821087585505612009-04-29T16:21:00.000-06:002009-04-29T16:21:00.000-06:00Nothing like trying to learn your trade with every...Nothing like trying to learn your trade with everyone watching...and occasionally lobbing tomatoes! I do not envy your position. <br /><br />I think of blogging as community journalism. As I write a story, I try to think of how other people might react to it. I anticipate questions, look into them, add a couple quotes and links. But every now and then, a commenter will still come up with a perspective that I never considered. It's all good. At its best, the blog is a community effort to build knowledge and tell better, richer stories. I like to think that community effort extends to helping you folks in the professional media tell better, richer stories.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-80705880083772543972009-04-29T13:56:00.000-06:002009-04-29T13:56:00.000-06:00I agree. I'm sorry to say that fact never crossed ...I agree. I'm sorry to say that fact never crossed my mind to include it in the article, I thought people wouldn't care. <br /><br />I'm still learning the trade (this is my internship) and I'll make sure to never make this mistake again.<br /><br />...and to study South Dakota Law a bit more intently.Danny Andrewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-15934798294152619762009-04-28T14:32:00.000-06:002009-04-28T14:32:00.000-06:00Sorry, Anon: property rights do not include the ri...Sorry, Anon: property rights do not include the right to engage in religious discrimination. <br /><br />And Danny! Welcome to the show! If Mrs. Hunter did tell you that, then you should have said so in the article. As it stands, the headline and text look like a pretty clear violation of state law. The story didn't say anything about a preference; the text declared "intent." The news article says to anyone of a different faith that their application to rent isn't really welcome... and that's a problem.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-89742537323968864232009-04-28T13:21:00.000-06:002009-04-28T13:21:00.000-06:00I threw in the cat comparison as a little levity. ...I threw in the cat comparison as a little levity. But it is still ridiculous in my mind that a person can't have control over his/her own property without bringing out the crowd that loves to scream racist or discrimination etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-70412603820373667212009-04-28T09:43:00.000-06:002009-04-28T09:43:00.000-06:00To be fair, Mrs. Hunter did tell me that she would...To be fair, Mrs. Hunter did tell me that she would take anyone who wanted to live there. <br /><br />She mentioned that she would merely prefer her tenants to be Christian females. <br /><br />I can't speak for her, but I highly doubt discriminating against non-Christians or males crossed her mind.Danny Andrewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-77525421146209350042009-04-27T21:58:00.000-06:002009-04-27T21:58:00.000-06:00I entirely agree with Corey here.
Cat owners neve...I entirely agree with Corey here.<br /><br />Cat owners never have, nor will they ever be, a constitutionally protected group. <br /><br />The difference between a pet and religious convictions are plain as day. <br /><br />Now, as soon as you can show me a religion that sheds, makes everything smell like pee or tears up carpet, then I'll revoke my statements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-70386853526086855012009-04-27T18:21:00.000-06:002009-04-27T18:21:00.000-06:00As Anon 4:54 said, it's not about PC; it's South D...As Anon 4:54 said, it's not about PC; it's <A HREF="http://legis.state.sd.us/statutes/DisplayStatute.aspx?Type=Statute&Statute=20-13-20" REL="nofollow">South Dakota law</A>. The "narrow-mindedness" your daughter faced over her cat is of a significantly lesser degree than religious discrimination... something that, as Tony mentioned, very few of the privileged majority around here have suffered.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-35677932971695505542009-04-27T17:45:00.000-06:002009-04-27T17:45:00.000-06:00I'm sure there are plenty of places to rent in Mad...I'm sure there are plenty of places to rent in Madison. To say that they are being denied a place to live because one (ONE) house denies them is ridiculous. My daughter was denied most rentals when she started work in another city because she had a cat. Should she have sued because owners refused to let a cat share a pad? Was a law broken because of their narrow mindedness? Sometimes the PC stuff is so over the top that it's actually scary!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-20029324198397199562009-04-27T15:54:00.000-06:002009-04-27T15:54:00.000-06:00I think the point is a law is being broken.
More ...I think the point is a law is being broken.<br /><br />More Importantly, a law is being broken and because of Madison's small-town mentality, no one is going to care.<br /><br />The courthouse is certainly going to turn a blind eye. It's not sad to have a bunch of Christian ladies in a house, but it is terribly sad that people will be denied housing and no one will care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-86074813226277758842009-04-27T07:32:00.000-06:002009-04-27T07:32:00.000-06:00Since almost everyone in Madison is a white Christ...Since almost everyone in Madison is a white Christian it may seem unnecessary, but do you really want a protected class?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-73164625999992812302009-04-26T20:49:00.000-06:002009-04-26T20:49:00.000-06:00How can anybody determine for sure that anybody is...How can anybody determine for sure that anybody is a Christian? A person can go to church every Sunday and again on Ednesday evening, but party, commit adultery, and whatever else the Bible frowns on the rest of the week. Anybody can say they are Christian and not be serious about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-82524802151618479282009-04-26T20:46:00.000-06:002009-04-26T20:46:00.000-06:00I have been tickeled as I read some of these comme...I have been tickeled as I read some of these comments. THANK YOU. The only question I have is are there any covenents tied to this property???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-37603423736734967372009-04-26T20:21:00.000-06:002009-04-26T20:21:00.000-06:00Anon 8:14
Discrimination only sucks when you are ...Anon 8:14<br /><br />Discrimination only sucks when you are on the receiving end. If you've never been a minority, please, stop.<br /><br />Would you oppose me buying the lots next to your house and filling them with trashed cars stacked 3 deep?<br /><br />Of course you would. We as citizens accept certain restrictions on our property rights for the good of all. Anti-discrimination laws are meant to protect everyone.<br /><br />You're not a minority now. You received an advantage in life which you have parlayed into owning property. No need to doubly penalize minorities with your intolerance.Tony Amerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00926509220711589398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-48580432590541334852009-04-26T19:14:00.000-06:002009-04-26T19:14:00.000-06:00As far as I'm concerned, if you own the property, ...As far as I'm concerned, if you own the property, you should be able to rent it out however you want. I own it, I will do what I want!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-80787438118129478212009-04-26T19:05:00.000-06:002009-04-26T19:05:00.000-06:00The personal attack comes in portraying this artic...The personal attack comes in portraying this article as something personally motivated by a flaw in my character rather than a public policy issue. That's obvious to anyone giving the comments an honest read.<br /><br />I bring the story to your attention in part because it's a remarkable example of the local media not asking an obvious question: "Is that legal?" It's discrimination, a violation of state and federal law (and, as an Anon above notes, a potential violation of local housing code). <br /><br />["plenty of comments"? Not quite. More for cuss words than anything else, even from folks with whom I agree. I'm pleased you are entertained.]caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-31984901971250596402009-04-26T18:43:00.000-06:002009-04-26T18:43:00.000-06:00Ah, Where is the personal attack? I was just curi...Ah, Where is the personal attack? I was just curious why you were so compelled to bring this story to our attention? Again, if you don't like the anon option eliminate it. You have eliminated plenty of comments in the past. Especially if they challenge your argument. You are the liberal media, you have got to expect some disagreement. By the way, I have watched you attempt to fight back and its quite entertaining.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-65780029402593537762009-04-26T18:31:00.000-06:002009-04-26T18:31:00.000-06:00Here's the nanny state again. A person can't do a...Here's the nanny state again. A person can't do a nice thing with property that he/she owns without somebody screaming discrimination. This is ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-15408702688791290642009-04-26T17:43:00.000-06:002009-04-26T17:43:00.000-06:00Put down the personal pitchforks, Anons—I agree wi...Put down the personal pitchforks, Anons—I agree with Mary and Tom that theme/interest housing at college can serve some good purposes. I even offer a link to where they could look into starting a women's Christian sorority. I'm simply pointing out that if all we have here is a private landlord planning to rent exclusively to Christian women, that's illegal. Don't blame me; blame your Legislature, your Constitution, and the <A HREF="http://www.state.sd.us/dol/boards/hr/" REL="nofollow">South Dakota Division of Human Rights</A> that enforces such rules against improper discrimination in the marketplace.<br /><br />Nuns living together? No problem. I'd rent to nuns. Private landlord saying, "I will only rent to nuns"? Problem (at least until someone can show me an exception in state law that I've missed). [And thanks for the prayers, but I'm fine, really: pray for the hungry, the oppressed, and the other billions more worthy of your assistance.]<br /><br />[And I'd rather you Anons didn't feel the need to frame responses as personal attacks, but if you must get personal, why not leave your name? Rhetorically, I'm at a disadvantage against folks who shoot the messenger if I can't shoot back. ;-)]caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-12256554724116649762009-04-26T17:41:00.000-06:002009-04-26T17:41:00.000-06:00Anon 4:17, A monastery isn't the same as rental un...Anon 4:17, A monastery isn't the same as rental units and isn't covered under fair housing practices. Try again.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937655360187979029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-90984982742386212092009-04-26T15:59:00.000-06:002009-04-26T15:59:00.000-06:00Yes, Cory could just not stand the fact that somet...Yes, Cory could just not stand the fact that something good and descent might happen in this world. Thanks for bringing this obvious terribly gross negligent act to our attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-2888400119589816682009-04-26T15:58:00.000-06:002009-04-26T15:58:00.000-06:00Didn't an elderly Sioux Falls landlord get in trou...Didn't an elderly Sioux Falls landlord get in trouble by advertising his rental property was available to "Christian" white tennants just a couple of years ago? There's nothing wrong with hoping you'll get Christian tennants, but to demand it, that's another thing. Most likely, Trinity Lutheran Church will simply refer applicants to Mary and Tom, so the "Christian" part is inferred. It is interesting that in this country you can choose the type of religion or aetheism you wish to follow, which is protected by the US Constitution, however, landlords cannot decide who will rent from them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-69438425916779529552009-04-26T15:17:00.000-06:002009-04-26T15:17:00.000-06:00Cory, There are a bunch of NUNS living together up...Cory, There are a bunch of NUNS living together up at Watertown. I'm not sure, but I think you have to be a NUN. You better get busy and try and get the controversy rolling. We can't have a bunch of exclusive NUNS living together. Leave it to you to try and expose a worldly view. Nice piece. FYI, you will need Christian on your resume to get into the Lord's house of Heaven. I'm praying for you, but your very stubborn and your heart is very hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-38975571970438165122009-04-26T14:51:00.000-06:002009-04-26T14:51:00.000-06:00I thought the city had an ordinance not more than ...I thought the city had an ordinance not more than 3 unrelated persons could live in a residence (although nothing like that is on the city web site). Neighbor concerns have arisen from that previously, especially with a proposed B&B. If Cory's right, people will probably just look the other way even if the court house is just a block away. Allowing discrimination is discrimination too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-2749315740911816962009-04-26T11:20:00.000-06:002009-04-26T11:20:00.000-06:00Many years ago I participated in an excercise to i...Many years ago I participated in an excercise to identify discriminatory rental owners near military bases.<br /><br />It was an eye opener for me. The expierience taught me that until you face discrimination first hand it is not possible to understand the damage that can be caused.<br /><br />Although emotional damage is not likely to be caused to anyone that would be interested in living in the referenced rental, the risk is not worth the benefit.<br /><br />So, as much as it pains me Cori, I have to agree with you. Discrimination is discrimination, period.<br /><br />Joseph G Thompson<br />PS, This was in the 70's, and my black pretend spouse, at times, professed to be a follower of the Minister Malcomb X. So I got to see racial and religious prejudices face to face.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com