tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post6234065471139786929..comments2023-08-25T05:18:29.312-06:00Comments on Madville Times: Hickey Poll Asks Different Question, Gets Different Answercaheidelbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-58871208924457221952010-05-26T08:57:46.619-06:002010-05-26T08:57:46.619-06:00Justin, never underestimate any man's ability ...Justin, never underestimate any man's ability (including yours and mine, not just Bob's) to believe what he wants in favor of what is.<br /><br />But when a poll offers such loaded questions, it's hard to tell what the majority really believe.caheidelbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03261598066395322681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-31965112557088952872010-05-25T21:27:21.019-06:002010-05-25T21:27:21.019-06:00"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's=ackn..."Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's=acknowledge government as reality."<br /><br />-Thich Nhat Hanhlarry kurtzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855417104900624838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-57056096114430767432010-05-25T11:07:54.197-06:002010-05-25T11:07:54.197-06:00I have to wonder how someone like Mr. Ellis can be...I have to wonder how someone like Mr. Ellis can be so certain he's correct while I am so certain he's wrong. <br /><br />Is this somehow related to expectation bias in that we each see what we wish to? In the same way that a researcher performing a study without blinds, each of us finds that our "study" of the constitution comes back with results that indicate our own expectation is correct.Justin Beckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-82374648165644258832010-05-24T22:55:40.208-06:002010-05-24T22:55:40.208-06:00This guy is either amazingly ignorant or a pure pr...This guy is either amazingly ignorant or a pure propaganda artist. Christian doctrine and the doctrine of humanism are completely at odds with each other. He might as well call himself a "Christian atheist." <br /><br />The piece you linked to is full of generalized propaganda and can be knocked over and debunked with a feather.<br /><br />The doctrine of "separation of church and state" (which isn't found in the Constitution) is found in the First Amendment, which prohibits a state religion or state church. It does NOT mandate that our government be divorced from Christian values. <br /><br />I have dozens and dozens of citations that debunk both this guy's nonsense and your warped "separation of church and state" nonsense. If you're interested, you can start here: http://www.dakotavoice.com/tag/christian-heritage/<br /><br />If you want to maintain your illusions, however, don't read any of the articles at that link, or here: http://www.dakotavoice.com/tag/church-and-state/ <br /><br />Or here: http://www.dakotavoice.com/?s=federer&submit=Go<br /><br />Or elsewhere at Dakota Voice.<br /><br />The absolute fact of America's Christian heritage the the vital role the Christian worldview has played in our government and public policy is absolutely undeniable...for anyone even slightly informed and/or who can be honest.<br /><br />Don't feel bad when you realize how wrong you were, though. Most of us were taken in by liberal propaganda at one point or another; 10 years ago, even I hardly had a clue of the extent of our Christian heritage.Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-13602170062545865542010-05-24T21:51:36.670-06:002010-05-24T21:51:36.670-06:00Hmmm. "The church should challenge political...Hmmm. "The church should challenge political powers, not praise and promote them." I'm not buying that either. How about they just stay the heck out of it.<br /><br />As far as Bob goes, he answers the question to satisfy himself but the logic just isn't there for someone like myself that believes separation of church and state is necessary. Even if every founder was a devout Christian that's not how they wrote the Constitution. Even if they had written the document to promote Christian values, this is 2010 and we have to interpret the Constitution so it functions in a modern society. <br /><br />Bob, here's a guy who is no "God hater" and he doesn't agree with you either. The man is logical, but something tells me you would reject Christian Humanist ideas: <br />http://thechristianhumanist.blogspot.com/2010/04/is-united-states-christian-nation-since.htmlJohnSDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232529806415462712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-83304488777419673312010-05-24T12:27:58.180-06:002010-05-24T12:27:58.180-06:00"I'm still waiting to hear any spiritual ..."I'm still waiting to hear any spiritual justification for any pastor to endorse any fallible human candidate over another."<br /><br />You obviously don't want an answer. If you did, you would have noted the countless times I have answered that question at Madville alone, not to mention at Dakota Voice. Pastor Hickey has also answered this question<br /><br />If you have any interest at all in knowing the answer, I encourage you to read the comments I've left on the articles you've written on this subject over the past week, or those at Dakota Voice, including my comments--preferably with your eyes and mind open, this time. If you don't really want to know, don't bother. <br /><br />Burying your head in the sand and pretending there are no answers is not a good way to learn anything. (But it IS a good way to "justify" keeping the conscience of our society muzzled so you can advance your immoral agenda unchallenged).Bob Ellishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10413354616356999953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15329279.post-26247004667104735372010-05-24T11:38:27.708-06:002010-05-24T11:38:27.708-06:00I'm still waiting to hear any spiritual justif...<i>I'm still waiting to hear any spiritual justification ...</i><br /><br />Keep waiting Cory; they're manufacturing it as quickly as they can.Justin Beckernoreply@blogger.com